I'm ok with this

"OPPOsaurus WRX" (opposaurus) 09/23/2020 at 21:05 • Filed to: None

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its inevitable this is going to happen. Its not like gas engines are going to just disappear. Imagine the development these engines would get if all the money from gas goes to electric. It will probably force upgrades to utilities as well which would probably be a good thing . 

gettingoldercarguy > OPPOsaurus WRX 09/23/2020 at 21:21

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Yeah, me too.  I like Jay Leno's take that ice powered cars will one day be like horses, taken out on special occasions, etc.

boredalways > OPPOsaurus WRX 09/23/2020 at 21:21

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Time to get more Hydrogen filling stations online and convert ICE to run on LPG.

Spanfeller is a twat > OPPOsaurus WRX 09/23/2020 at 21:22

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It’s dumb.

It’s an executive order. Not a law. It’ll take very little pressure to repeal it when push comes to shove.

Should be a law. 

ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) > OPPOsaurus WRX 09/23/2020 at 21:24

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If we as a nation had spent the last 20 years (though easily should be closer to 40) maintaining our infrastructure rather than jaunting around the planet to commit war crimes against brown people in order to steal resources and siphon every last drop of dead Dino juice out of the ground, we could already have a more decentralized power grid with home/local energy capture and storage in place.

But that wouldn’t make a very few vile assholes even more incredibly wealthy. So instead we get the apocalypse while they watch from their third yacht.

WilliamsSW > OPPOsaurus WRX 09/23/2020 at 21:24

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It is a good thing, I think.

Leave it to California to do this and *not* upgrade utilities though,  because their government are that type of idiots. 

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > OPPOsaurus WRX 09/23/2020 at 21:31

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It’s odd thinking about 2035 when I can’t even imagine what fun awaits us in 2021.

For Sweden > OPPOsaurus WRX 09/23/2020 at 21:44

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California and artificially restricting supply to hurt poor people. Name a more iconic duo.

sony1492 > OPPOsaurus WRX 09/23/2020 at 21:53

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If the state followed down a similar path with restrictions and became tighter on emissions of used vehicles id probably move to another state. Currently counties have some authority on when a smog is necessary(some are yearly and change of ownership, others are only the former) But with moves like that it wouldn’t be surprising for the govt to become stricter on a grand scale.

It makes sense that ICE needs to phase out at some point, but arnt hybrids reasonable. S houldn’t we be more considerate of our infrastructures current state.

What will the weight increase of vehicles cost us per year? (More importantly, semi trucks that cause significantly more damage to roads)

Can our power supply keep up, if not how will we get there? What is the impact of charge times and or range anxiety to miles driven per year if any?

As an offshoot I wonder how expensive rare elements are going to get, some are already going up for battery manufacturing and electronics. Currently scrapping Catalytic converters is lucrative due to the palladium, Rhodium, and platinum

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > For Sweden 09/23/2020 at 21:55

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It’s funny that this means “death to hybrids” which are actually the most sensible way forward..

of course, they are trotting out the usual villain, despite the fact that UC-Berkeley’s own research estimates pre-Columbian fire burn footprints at between 4.5 and 11 MILLION acres. PER YEAR. What’s different today is all the wonderful fuel that civilized Californians have brought to the party.

We need more efficient cars, but  banning technology with actual promise— in a very progressive-taxation-way— is VERY Californio.

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > WilliamsSW 09/23/2020 at 21:56

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Face it. It sucks to be the public facing side of those utilities... They are feverishly trying to build CCNG gas power plants, to meet the increased evening demand. Part of which is coming from BEVs...

Even as all the nuclear units close and they are in a bind due to “net metering”.

CaptDale - is secretly British > OPPOsaurus WRX 09/23/2020 at 21:57

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Well this honestly is not the legislation we need to fix this. We do not have the electric or public transportation infrastructure to support new car sales going electric . There is no way PG&E is going to get off their asses and do the needed upgrades they said they were going to do for the last 30 years and I am sure So Cal Edison doesn’t want to either. SF is the only city with a mass transit system that is even remotely viable and e ven that isn’t robust enough to really haul around the masses.

I agree that legislation like this can be a good thing, but without the infrastructure behind it to support it, it is like everything else “revolutionary” CA has tried to do for a long while. All bark and no bite. It will just end up hurting the population even more and driving out more people. 

ranwhenparked > OPPOsaurus WRX 09/23/2020 at 21:57

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Are they going to expedite the permit and review process for new power plants? Because, even in non-BANANA states, that's gotten pretty ridiculous, can be years just from initial application to groundbreaking with environmental review, impact statements, community meetings, public review periods, delays imposed after new politicians take office, etc. China can turn a peaceful valley into the world's largest reservoir in less time than it takes us just to do the preliminary paperwork for a new wind farm

For Sweden > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 09/23/2020 at 21:57

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Hybrids are like multi-family housing: a good idea that is illegal in California

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > boredalways 09/23/2020 at 21:57

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it’s funny that the one thing that’s really helped in LA is converting the taxis and airport shuttles to CNG.  it’s not sexy, but it’s very sensible.

CaptDale - is secretly British > Spanfeller is a twat 09/23/2020 at 21:58

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It is? Oh that is going to fail hard then

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > For Sweden 09/23/2020 at 22:02

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Heh. True Story:

My Fair City went a full 45 years without approving a single multi-family housing proj ect inside the city limits. Really. 45 years.

And, yet the politicians filled the airwaves with their “deep concern for the plight of our homeless and those living in poverty”... “We are so concerned that our concerning levels of concern trapped us into inaction, so we didn’t approve anything other than single family houses. The median price of which now exceeds $2.5 Million. We ’d be more concerned, but the value of my house I bought in 1989 has really performed well...”

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 09/23/2020 at 22:03

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Hey!  Let’s do a press release about how our new company was set up to convert COVID viral mass into lithium ion battery paste.

boredalways > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 09/23/2020 at 22:11

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Ah, CNG was what I meant instead of LPG (still could be an option).  Thanks!

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > CaptDale - is secretly British 09/23/2020 at 22:15

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“ California” didn’t do anything. Newsom wrote a letter. That’s it... Simple for the next governor, or the next one, or the next one, to undo. 

WilliamsSW > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 09/23/2020 at 22:15

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California utilities hit the double jackpot. Poorly managed AND poorly regulated. They have no chance.

fintail > OPPOsaurus WRX 09/23/2020 at 22:15

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What are the odds of “T hreads” -style armageddon or 1930s-style authoritarian fascism by 2035?

CaptDale - is secretly British > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/23/2020 at 22:18

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Well yeah, but I am just saying nothing is going to happen from it. I thought they had passed some law. 

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > WilliamsSW 09/23/2020 at 22:18

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Whenever I get into with a Tesla Cult guy and try to bring up “second order effects”... The utilities can hardly keep up with running their 1950s era business and you want them to power the BEV revolution? GTFO.

EXH IBIT A: Aliso Canyon Natural Gas disaster. A utility grade environmental disgrace nobody knows about. It’s nauseating. Literally.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliso_Canyon_gas_leak

fintail > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 09/23/2020 at 22:19

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That’s pretty much it. A few lucky generations don’t want to risk diminishing the value of a winning lottery ticket that they pretend they acquired through being the smartest and hardest working of all time, but really just tripped and fell into it via dumb luck.

Exact same thing exists in Seattle, where upzoning is fought and fought hard, and those supposedly progressive “me” cohorts and some of their odious spawn preach about diversity and opportunity but wouldn’t dare trade their bought-for-nothing house in Magnolia or Laurelhurst for a place in gentrifying Columbia City or White Center.

Snuze: Needs another Swede > sony1492 09/23/2020 at 22:25

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Why would you waste time and energy answering hard questions when all you need is a little virtue signalling to get the reelection votes?

wafflesnfalafel > For Sweden 09/23/2020 at 22:28

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I t’s actually kind of interesting how similar this is to the anti horse/cow legislation in the early 1900s that was made in the name of cleanliness, but effectively financially punished lower income households.  Damn the unwashed masses...  I think I will continue to ride my horse down mainstreet for a while.

superdave847 > OPPOsaurus WRX 09/23/2020 at 22:31

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Remember how California conspired with GM to tear out the light rail tracks in Los Angeles back in the 1940s?

What a change.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > OPPOsaurus WRX 09/23/2020 at 22:35

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Oh shucks I didn’t even see this when I made my post. 

shop-teacher > ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) 09/23/2020 at 22:45

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I feel like it could have made a few bike assholes very wealthy, but it was easier to do it the other way.

Demon-Xanth knows how to operate a street. > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 09/23/2020 at 23:04

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barnie > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 09/23/2020 at 23:43

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Hum. Wiki says leak was as bad as 200k cars a year. ATL has 2000k cars on just I2 85 every day (avg). Doesn’t seem so bad. And refs to being bigger than Deepwater Horizon make that scenario look smaller, too.

fintail > barnie 09/24/2020 at 00:13

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The yearly emissions 200K cars , per month.

2MM cars on Atlanta roads daily? I know traffic in that heckhole sucks, but damn :)

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > barnie 09/24/2020 at 00:23

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Does I285 put hundreds of people in the hospital?

You, sir, are an embarrassment .

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/size-california-methane-leak-isnt-scariest-part-story-180958234/

https://laist.com/2019/11/05/aliso-canyon-porter-ranch-gas-leak-blowout-health-benzene-nordella.php

barnie > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 09/24/2020 at 01:07

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Actually I295 has plenty fatalities and injuries. I was just pointing out the relevance of big numbers over time versus bigger numbers over less time. Perspective, grasshopper. And what do a few sniffles and headaches matter when big business is trying to make money?

barnie > fintail 09/24/2020 at 01:13

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Not on ATL’s roads, just on that one 37.5 mile strip of road. 75, 85 and surface roads account for a lot more. ATL is a mess but good for examples because the numbers are easy to find.

pip bip - choose Corrour > OPPOsaurus WRX 09/24/2020 at 04:37

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better start building mass transit systems

ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) > fintail 09/24/2020 at 07:18

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Judging by how this election seems to be going, I'd say nearly 100% before the end of the year. 

Khalbali > OPPOsaurus WRX 09/24/2020 at 07:19

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I’m just waiting for the inevitable loophole of used car lots buying brand new cars from out of state and selling them as used.

fintail > barnie 09/24/2020 at 16:04

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Did you mean 200K cars? I can believe that, given the ridiculous sprawl of the ATL metro that makes it such a fine place to live . 2000K, however, I am skeptical.

barnie > fintail 09/24/2020 at 16:56

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_285_(Georgia)  is an interesting read. This article says 250k a day. Read 2000k somewhere else but can’t find it again. This lower number seems more realistic now that I’m not in that traffic mess every day. Still, that’s a lot of pollution to spew into ATL and all those folks living along the freeway. Remember, this is daily, not over a period of years as the leak was. Further down it says 20 fatalities in 2013.

fintail > barnie 09/24/2020 at 20:16

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I can believe 250K a year in that poorly planned mess, for sure. And it still seems to function better than Seattle traffic lol.

I took the Aliso Viejo leak to mean the yearly output of 200K cars was released every day: “ The leak initially released about 44,000 kilograms(kg) of methane per hour or 1,200 tons of methane every day, which in terms of greenhouse gas output per month compares with the equivalent effluvia from 200,000 cars in a year”. Probably cleaner to live in Atlanta.